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Old May 20, 2005, 04:05 AM // 04:05   #121
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Omissions/corrections on previous post:
1) I misspelled "juvenilia". Sorry. I hate to get stuff like that wrong.
2) Why, if I'm such a RP advocate, do I give my in-game character my real name? A question for future discussion, message me and we can talk.
3) A really big thunderstorm has just blown through my area. Lightning, wind, heavy rain. Very cool, very nice. Wish you were here.
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Old May 20, 2005, 10:09 AM // 10:09   #122
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I wrote eMails to the most important german Games-Magazines (Gamestar, Pc Games, PC Powerplay) and requested a newsflash on their website concerning our petition.

If someone could do so for US and UK magazines?

Here is the text (for those who can read german )

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Liebe PC Powerplay-Redaktion,

ich muss für unser Anliegen leider etwas weiter ausholen. Ich möchte
Sie dennnoch bitten, meine Nachricht bis zum Ende zu lesen.

Die Berichterstattung Ihres Magazins zu ArenaNets und NCSofts CORPG "Guild Wars" (GW) kommt zu einem bisher überwiegend positiven Fazit. Auch wenn ein ausführlicher Test vermutlich erst in der nächsten Ausgabe erscheinen wird - und wir dementsprechend noch nicht beurteilen können wie "PC Powerplay" nach dem Langzeittest definitiv zu dem Spiel steht - ist mittlerweile (ca. 1 Monat nach Release) nicht von der Hand zu weisen, dass GW große Spielerzahlen anzieht und sehr starke Resonanz findet (nicht nur wegen
des Finanzierungsmodells).

Wie Ihren Testern aufgefallen sein dürfte, bietet GW zwar atmosphärische Settings und eine konsequent inszenierte (wenn auch etwas klischeehafte) Storyline, dennoch findet sich kaum "Rollenspiel" (im Sinne von "In Character"-Spiel) innerhalb des GW-Netzwerkes. Dies mag zum einen daran liegen, dass ArenaNet den Schwerpunkt auf actionlastiges Gameplay und anspruchsvolles PvP legt, zum anderen wird durch dieses Gameplay - aber auch durch das "No Monthly-Fee Konzept" - natürlich eine andere Zielgruppe angesprochen als z.B. bei Spielen wie Everquest o.ä. (Stichwort: "Counter Strike" im Fantasy-Gewand). Nicht zuletzt ist GW v.a.auf "instant action" ausgelegt, viele RP-typische Elemente, wie z.B. Non-Combat-Professions, wurden deshalb "wegrationalisiert".

Dennoch gibt es eine Vielzahl von Spielern, die RP in GW für möglich und sinnvoll halten. Das atmosphärische Szenario bietet viel Inspiration für Charakter-Hintergründe, die bereits vorhandenen Emotes regen zum "Sozializing" an und das GW-typische Instancing bietet
Möglichkeiten, die einer "guten alten" Pen & Paper - Runde sehr nahe kommen. Insbesondere die Tatsache, dass sich "die Welt um die Party dreht" und dass massive Veränderungen innerhalb der Spielwelt in den Instances machbar sind (im Gegensatz zu klassischen MMORPGs, wo auch der Bossmob immer respawnen muss...oder eine Brücke zu einem Gebiet nicht einfach zertört BLEIBEN kann, weil die anderen Spieler
schliesslich auch noch dorthin kommen wollen), legen ausgedehntes Role-Play eigentlich nahe.

ArenaNet äußerte sich im sog. "Fansite Friday" 35 (http://www.guildwars-espanol.com/mod...howpage&pid=18)
zu diesem Thema und verwies auf die Instances als ideale Möglichkeit zum RP. Leider ist diese Lösung (wenn als einzige Lösung in Betracht gezogen) recht unbefriedigend. Natürlich sind die Instanzen ideal für RP, sobald man allerdings einen Outpost betritt wird die Immersion völlig zerstört. Bekanntermaßen sind die Outposts zur Zeit "Out of Character"-Hochburgen. Die Chat-Channel werden dominiert von Inhalten, die alles abdecken von "1337-Speak" über Trading-Abkürzungen ("WTS uber-sword, dmg 10-13") bis hin zu Gesprächen über erst später folgende Storyelemente ("Spoiler") - nur zum Szenario passende Inhalte sucht man in der Regel vergeblich. Dabei wäre es so einfach - statt "Need party for quest ´Supplies for the duke´, any1 join?" könnte der jeweilige Charakter sich auch in anderer Form äußern: "My companions and I willt try to search for Duke Barradin north of the wall. We are sure that he is in need for supplies. Are there any brave men who want
to join us? We need every sword we can get."

Letztlich bleibt das aber Geschmackssache. RP ist nicht jedermanns bevorzugte Spielweise und genauso, wie Rollenspieler sich durch OOC gestört fühlen, könnten Nicht-RPler von "schwulstigem Gespamme" genervt sein. Insbesondere in GW dürften Rollenspieler auch quantitativ in der Minderheit sein. In klassischen MMORPG wird dieses
Problem i.d.R. über die vielfältige Serverlandschaft bewältigt. Rollenspieler spielen einfach auf "RP-Realms" wie in "World of Warcraft" und haben damit eine "Heimat" und eine Legitimation (können also gegen "Störenfriede" mit Recht vorgehen). Da GW aber eine einheitliche Serverstruktur bietet und somit quasi alle Spieler in einem "Realm" spielen (Stichwort: Worlds at War), ist diese Möglichkeit ausgeschlossen. Was aber möglich WÄRE, ist die Nutzung der "District"-Technologie zur Errichtung eines definierten
RP-"Bereiches". Um nun zum Punkt zu kommen: Wir (=eine Gruppe RP-Begeisterter GW-Spieler aus aller Welt) haben eine Petition zur Errichtung von RP-Distrikten in GW gestartet. Wir nutzen hierfür einen Forums-Thread der Website "Guild Wars Guru" - diese Seite genießt den Status einer "offiziellen Fansite", ist international und bekannt dafür, dass sie von den ArenaNet-Entwicklern gelesen wird. Unser wunsch ist ein RP-District pro Outpost, der technich ein "International District" ist, aber das Label "Role-Play" trägt. Um von ArenaNet ernstgenommen zu werden, benötigen wir möglichst viele "Virtuelle Unterschriften". Eine kleine Newsmeldung auf PCPowerplay.de wäre unserer Sache - wie Sie sich sicher vorstellen können - sehr dienlich. Wenn also (vielleicht nach der ohnehin doch von Ihnen zu erwartenden GW-Berichterstattung) die Möglichkeit bestünde, kurz auf
unsere "Unterschriftensammlung" hinzuweisen, wären wir Ihnen sehr dankbar.

Die Petition befindet sich hier:
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=12840

Für weitere Fragen oder auch Quellen zum Thema "RP in Guild Wars"
stehe ich natürlich jederzeit zur Verfügung.

Vielen Dank für Ihre Mühen

Mathias "Melmoth" Wölfelschneider
für die RP-Community bei gwguru

PS. Auch wenn Sie vermutlich generell auf "News"-Anfragen nicht anworten, wäre eine kurze Notiz sehr freundlich - so könnte ich die Community hinter dem Projekt über Erfolg oder Misserfolg informieren.

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Old May 20, 2005, 10:37 AM // 10:37   #123
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There is another MAJOR problem with our petition.

A) Many people told me they won´t sign it because they have to register on the board. Is there any way to allow guests to post (maybe regulated per thread)? This would be very important!

B) It should be sticky. Is there any moderator in here? *shouts*
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Old May 20, 2005, 03:34 PM // 15:34   #124
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Just to tell you, If your looking to RP, Im allways on the International District from around about 2pm-2am , Im usually in Fort Ranik or failing that Ascalon City, If not im using my other Character (my Character's Brother) to try and recruit, although nothing usually happens >< , he is usually in Ascalon city at the start of the game, Just look for the guy shouting Propaganda ^^

(Ok im in Fort Ranik right now, Look for the guy sitting down, International District)

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Old May 21, 2005, 01:19 PM // 13:19   #125
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The PETITION is now reachable via

www.roleplay.net.tc

Spread the word!
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Old May 21, 2005, 01:50 PM // 13:50   #126
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Originally Posted by Raven Agorath
Just to tell you, If your looking to RP, Im allways on the International District from around about 2pm-2am , Im usually in Fort Ranik or failing that Ascalon City, If not im using my other Character (my Character's Brother) to try and recruit, although nothing usually happens >< , he is usually in Ascalon city at the start of the game, Just look for the guy shouting Propaganda ^^

(Ok im in Fort Ranik right now, Look for the guy sitting down, International District)
Not true! It's now 15:49 (2:49 PM GMT) and you're not online!

You liar!

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Old May 22, 2005, 11:02 AM // 11:02   #127
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Neoven on promotion-tour through all european districts of Ascalon:



Please join him. We need promotion in America, too!
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Old May 22, 2005, 02:18 PM // 14:18   #128
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Awesome work guys, nearly a hundred signatures and going strong. I'll be furthering our cause in Lion's Arch later today, and hopefully I'll survive the encounter. I saw the guys shouting about it yesterday, warmed my heart right up. Nice work guys!

(OOC: Hey, are you guys' RP guilds recruiting? If so, I'd be happy to join, as I'm guildless and rearing for RP. IC Name: Arctic Inferno. Thanks!)
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Old May 22, 2005, 04:00 PM // 16:00   #129
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Awesome work guys, nearly a hundred signatures and going strong. I'll be furthering our cause in Lion's Arch later today, and hopefully I'll survive the encounter.
Good luck. LA is a good idea, because I didn´t reach it yet. Good luck! I encountered some...let´s say...aggression yesterday (at Sardelac Sanitarium).


Edit:

I tried to contact the Admin of this board via PM:

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Hello Inde!

I tried to contact a moderator first, but I didn´t get any answer. I hope that I don´t annoy you - as the Admin of this board - too much with my concern.

I represent the gwguru - board members that started the "Petition for role-playing districts". We chose gwguru for this petition because it occupies the status of an "Official Guild Wars Fansite" and is know to be visited by ArenaNet developers (we also like the site, btw. )

To become a real success (read: "to collect as many signatures as possible"), the whole thing could need two major changes concerning the functionality of this board. That is why I contact you.

1.) Would it be possible to make the thread sticky?

2.) (even more important): Many potential subscribers didn´t sign the petition because they had to register on the board. Would it be possible to allow guests to post in that (specific) thread?

You would help us and the whole GW-roleplay-community a lot.

Thank you!

Mathias aka Melmoth

Oh, have a look at this:

http://vnboards.ign.com/message.asp?...start=87094394

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Old May 22, 2005, 07:38 PM // 19:38   #130
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edit:

i made a petition for anyone to sign:
www.gwroleplay.tk

please sign it =)

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Old May 22, 2005, 11:06 PM // 23:06   #131
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Thanks for the offer, but I think it's been done. We now have petitions going in many places at once. The more, the merrier!
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Old May 23, 2005, 12:00 AM // 00:00   #132
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This might have already been said, but I have a thought:

I do not support the petition for role-playing districts in "Guild Wars," for one very important reason:

It's too much trouble for the devs, which means it would probably cost us money to implement. You'de have to add dedicated districts under entierly new outpost district menu choices, because you couldn't just say "District 1 = RP for everything" because what if it overflows and you need District 2 and District 2 isn't there for that outpost?

I have a better idea: an RP Chat Channel. Turn it on and the others off and you end up with something that is virtually the same as RP Districts, but with much less hassle.

Just a suggestion...
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Old May 23, 2005, 12:17 AM // 00:17   #133
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we can let the guild wars and arena net people figure out how to incorporate role playing into the game. my thought was... this is sorta big but id say worth it, they should make an entire continent for role playing, in the next explansion update or something...
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Old May 23, 2005, 01:18 AM // 01:18   #134
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A continent will be a bit much... it'll have to be policed, and not many people will buy it probably. At least districts people can join and leave as they please, and no one is forcing anyone to do anything. All we want really is a place for roleplayers to meet and greet. It'll make things better for everyone, even the people trying to sell stuff - the less people uninterested in their wares, the better off they are.

As for the Chat channel, it works, but there's just something about actually seeing the actions being done. Roleplay chat is nice, but then again, there's roleplay chat via telnet.

Oh, and I don't think our RP district is going to 'overflow' any time soon now. We're not THAT many in number, you know. XP
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Old May 23, 2005, 01:52 AM // 01:52   #135
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haha, youd be surprised, we are quite alot in numbers.... we have alot of petitioners, and not just here, but on other sites too... im sure if we had a role playign continent, many people would come RP with us...
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Old May 23, 2005, 04:41 PM // 16:41   #136
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It's too much trouble for the devs, which means it would probably cost us money to implement.
Nobody knows that besides the ANet devs.

Edit: Yes! The Petition-Thread is STICKY!

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Old May 27, 2005, 03:07 AM // 03:07   #137
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I'm really interested in RPing as well. I'll be playing one of four characters: Istvan Woodswarden, Uther Wonderworker, Gerhard van Holdt, and Omar ibn Shahib--Feel free to look me up. I'm currently in a guild, but it's not an RP guild, and if I get interested enough in RP and it builds up like I hope it will, I'd love to move into an RP guild in the future.

I'm for an RP channel. The district idea would be nice as well, but I think it will probably end up being too costly for the development team to set up, since it would probably require space on each server to be constantly available for RP groups that might not be using much or any of that space at any given moment. Of course we might end up with enough RPers to make it worth their while . . ..
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Old May 28, 2005, 11:00 AM // 11:00   #138
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nd up being too costly for the development team to set up
Future Update

Here are some of the changes we're working on for next week's update:

* For players on the European servers, there will be different districts for each supported language: English, French, German, Italian, and Spanish. Players will be placed by default into the district that matches their current language preference, but they will still be able to travel to any available district.

(taken from http://www.guildwars.com/news/gameupdates.html)

So I don´t think it is expensive for ANet to set up districts.
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Old Jun 06, 2005, 11:15 PM // 23:15   #139
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I do not support this idea or petition , please do not PM me again , Melmoth

Stating that i do not support this idea is not disrespecting or insulting you , i dont care WHAT country you're from , in my opinion , its not that good of an idea.

Thank you and have a nice day
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Old Jun 21, 2005, 09:59 PM // 21:59   #140
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now dont get me wrong, iv got no problem wit RPing, but there are some flaws that, to me are unavodable. one of which is: what r u guna do about the total jerk who jumps into the RP dist and starts running around yelling about politics?
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